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CaliCollector
Tenderfoot
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(7/1/03 5:05 pm)
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ezSupporter
McAce Chamber Adapters
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im trying to pick up a couple chamber adapters from McAce out of Alaska at the moment. .32ACP in .30-06 and also in .308. i havent read the book that ol Ragnar Benson wrote about using this in the '06 but its SUPPOSEDLY CB like in sound. anyone have any experience with these things? i figure for small game pot hunting while retaining my serious rifles capabilities these would work well... and if quiet enuff, possibly work for a silent pest eliminator. McAce has a god rep from what i remember seeing scattered around the net and in magazines... so im comfy using their product even if teh noise level isnt as ive been told by others.
so anyone use adapters?
Ray in California
"Beware the man with only one gun, chances are he KNOWS how to use it."

Vlad
Minister Of Information
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(7/1/03 3:12 pm)
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vlad
Senior Member

Registered: May 2001
Location: East Texas
Posts: 187
The take-down survival rifle

I have seen the Marlin Papoose .22LR. I own an AR-7 22LR.

The Garand 3006 (US Rifle cal .30 M1) is my choice. Remove the trigger housing
group and the Garand comes apart in two major pieces, the longer being 32
inches. If you wish you may remove one or two rounds from the 8 round clip,
load a clip of six or seven rounds, close the bolt on an empty chamber, and carry
the rifle disassembled. It will fit nicely into a case or bag marked, perhaps, TENT POLES. You may then reassemble the rifle and fire it in seconds.

The 3006 cartridge is adequate for North America except possily the Kodiak brown bear. Even then eight well-placed shots just might do the trick. The advice on
Kodiak is that if you have fired all rounds and the bear is still charging roll into
a ball, pull your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

www.mcace.com/ markets chamber adapters and inserts to fire various cartridges.

I would wish to carry 50 rounds 32ACP, and the 32ACP adapter for 3006..
see page 81 Ragnar Benson's Action Encyclopaedia, "The absolute queen of
these devices is the 32ACP firer. In actual test this insert was completely inaudible at
100 yards in the woods when fired in a .308 with 20 inch barrel, in a gentle 6 to 8 knot wind."......... " Out to 150 yards, my .308 with 32 ACP adapter shots in the same hole using a scope as with its regular ammo."


we discussed this on PLainman's Cabin

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Author Topic: 32 ACP firer
vlad
Cabinite
Member # 16
posted December 11, 2001 18:37
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Ragnar's Action Encyclopaedia of Practical Knowledge and Proven Techniques
page 81
quote The absolute queen of these devices is the 32ACP firer. In actual tests this
insert was completely inaudible at 100 yards in the woods when fired in a .308 with
a 20 inch barrel, in a gentle 6 to 8 knot wind.-... Out to 150 yards, my 308 with 32ACP
adapter shoots in the same hole using a scope as with its regular ammo. unquote
www.mcace.com/Insertsindex.htm

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bigbore442001
Cabinite
Member # 587
posted December 11, 2001 20:05
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I don't know about the .32 ACP adapter but I have had poor results with two .22 Mag adapters. I purchased one at a gunshow for the .223 TC and it stuck in my chamber. I bent the exractor on the barrel. Years later I purchased a .22 Mag adapter for the .22 Hornet. I took a walk in the woods and fired a shot. I was impressed until I tried to remove the case from the adapter. The adapter split down the middle. Since then I've been very leery of adapters. I'd think that a .32ACP in a .308/.30-06 would work better due to the lower pressures/thicker walls but I hate to get burned again.
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vlad
Cabinite
Member # 16
posted December 12, 2001 06:20
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bigbore
if those were McAce adapters, send them an email. they would want to know that you had problems with their product.

click on www.mcace.com/aboutus.htm
and scroll to the bottom to get their email address.
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Kestrel
Tenderfoot
Member # 377
posted December 12, 2001 08:03
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I bought two 32 ACP/30-06 adapters out of a major catalog last week and took them to the range Sunday. The good news is that both adapters are 100% functional. There were no problems with firing or extraction. The noise level was very low, when I first began one of the other shooters thought I had a misfire and that only the primer had fired.
The bad news is the accuracy. The custom 30-06 they were fired out of will routinely shoot .5" 3 shot groups at 100 yards even with some types of factory ammo. I started at 25 yards with a fully supported rest. The 32's hit between 6 and 7.5 inches below my aiming point. The variance is due to the group size. Using three different brands of 32 ACP I was unable to shoot a group smaller than 2.5". 3" was much more common. I used only one adapter at a time and even marked a spot on the adapter body so I could place it in the chamber exactly in the same position every time. I had other shooters shoot a group or two to remove operator error. Same results.

While I was at the 25-yard line I fired six rounds of the "Ed Harris Special Load". 13 grains of Red Dot under a military surplus pulled 173 grain bullet ($55 per 1000 delivered). All six rounds went into one ragged hole that could be covered with a penny with room to spare. The group was about 3.5" below my aiming point.

Next I moved to the 50-yard line. 5" groups with random horizontal and vertical dispersion. The range I go to can only fire from either the 100 or 200 yard line at one time and the 200 line was hot so that was my final stop. At 600 feet I had to aim from 10 to 12 feet above the target to get the bullet on the paper (I gave up on counting "clicks" fairly quick). Keeping the shots on 11x17 target was impossible. Finally I decided to just ring the 12" steel gong. Even in a supported prone position hitting the gong was a totally random act. I had another shooter with a 36 power scope spot for me and he laughed so hard he wasn't much help. A miss could be high, low, left, or right in no pattern or order.

This post is not to contradict anyone else's post or experience just a quick summary of my day at the range with a new toy. After more than 150 rounds between two different adapters I am left wondering what they are good for. 3" groups will not take squirrels or rabbits at 25 yards. 170 grain cast .309 bullets over Bullseye or Red Dot are more economical, just as quiet, and quicker to load or unload. For the price of an adapter one could buy a Lee Loader in that caliber and have lots more flexibility. I'll probably try the McAce brand sometime this winter to compare the accuracy difference between brands. I would hope the accuracy would be much better, but dont anticipate the trajectory to be any different. I would really like to hear of anyone elses range trips with 32 ACP.
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vlad
Cabinite
Member # 16
posted December 12, 2001 19:33
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I believe that it was Badger who bought several McAce 32 ACP firers ayear or two ago, and reported good luck with them.
If I had Badger's email address I would ask him.

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Badger
Cabinite
Member # 70
posted December 12, 2001 22:24
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Bigbore,
I also found factory .32 ACP load next to worthless! That 71 grain FMJ just doesn't cut it! I went to a 100 grain cast roundnose sized to .311 with 2 grains of Bullseye, and it was lots more impressive! Even the 85 Grain JHP, (for 32/20) shoots better than the 71 grain FMJ! Only problem you have to have a pen or short piece of rod to knock the cases out of the adaptor with the heavier load! But it will improve the accuracy. But like you say a light cast bullet load is just as accurate and a lot faster to load! I believe that 100 grain cast RN would take down a deer in a pinch, with one placed right behind the ear! and you can carry 150 rounds in the same space 40 rounds of .308 would take up! I have one .308 Mauser with a 29" barrel, it almost makes the .32 ACP respectable!
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vlad
Cabinite
Member # 16
posted December 13, 2001 06:41
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Badger

what size groups at 25 and 50 yards with your 32 ACP cast 100 gr RN 2 gr Bullseye load?

I wonder how RCBS 30-180-FN or Lyman 311041 170 grain FN would do loaded in 32 ACP.

One of the guys reports reduced loads in 357 with the 280 grain 358xxx RN that gives little noise and great penetration from his 357 lever action rifle.
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Tracy
Cabinite
Member # 268
posted December 13, 2001 19:29
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Actually Vlad, that was from my NEF. It's too long for my levergun.
The accuracy problem with the C.E. Harris load sounds like understabilization; a lighter (preferably cast) bullet with a blunter (hence shorter) profile would probably work much better.
As for the 358009 .357 load, that is used only for very short range, such as inside the barn. I doubt that it would stabilize at longer range, certainly not with such a light load (2 grains of Bullseye).
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Kestrel
Tenderfoot
Member # 377
posted December 18, 2001 07:15
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Just a quick update for anyone following the reduced load saga. Yesterday I found an old Laser Cast Bullet newsletter claiming .325" groups at 50 yards for 5 shots with a 30-06. The load was 13.2 grains of IMR SR4756 under their .309 170 FPGC bullet with OAL at 2.995". Well I tried that load and have to agree its as accurate as any reduced load I've ever tried. No unburned powder, vertical stringing, or position sensitivity was noticed. It is much more accurate than my previous Red Dot loads and I've never complained about them. I used 4756 under both cast and FMJ bullets with the same results. Point of impact was only 3" below point of aim at 25 yards. Now its time to buy a keg of 4756 and wring out the max accuracy.
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NevadaBlue
Cabinite
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posted December 18, 2001 22:58
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btt, any thread without gunkid
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V Shrake
Brave
Posts: 352
(7/2/03 1:32 am)
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I've got 2 of them; 30-30 to .32ACP, and 8mm to .32ACP. While they're louder than a CB, they are pretty quiet and would work well for small game hunting when it was best to maintain a low profile. Accuracy was pretty good, but I don't have any "numbers", as I haven't shot either of them a lot as of yet, or on paper. But plinking with them proved to be handy.

CaliCollector
Tenderfoot
Posts: 67
(7/2/03 9:52 pm)
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ezSupporter
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thank ya Gentlemen! i surely do appreciate it. think theyd work for pest removal?aka strays without alerting the neighbors? Ray in California
"Beware the man with only one gun, chances are he KNOWS how to use it."

V Shrake
Brave
Posts: 354
(7/4/03 12:46 am)
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For that sort of use, I'd reccomend a long-barreled .22 rifle and flat nose CB's. A few licks with a file will make a roundnose CB into a flat, giving a lot better "slap" to the target, and with a 24" or so long barrel, CB's are just about silent. I'd say a head shot wiht a CB flat would take care of most such "problems".

CaliCollector
Tenderfoot
Posts: 68
(7/4/03 11:59 pm)
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ezSupporter
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sounds like a plan to me, id considered the .22CB Long, but had never considered giving it a few licks with the ole file to flatten down the point, ive done that with regular hi-vel .22lr ammo with good success. id thought about the .32acp in a nice JHP or "flattened" point for alot more "slap" when it hit the pest. figured it would help to provide a tad bit of insurance so to speak.
i have a check waiting to go out in the mail for some McAce chamber adapters, i plan on using those while deer hunting for putting meat into the pot, without the blast, noise and waste of a perfectly good .30-06 round, not to mention the loss of meat on the bird or furry animal that happens acrossed my path. was hopping that theyd be alittle on the quieter side, but i suppose if i HAVE to have a quieter load, ill just have to get a set of .32acp dies. thanks again guys. Ray in California
"Beware the man with only one gun, chances are he KNOWS how to use it."

Aguila SSS 60 gr @ 950 cartridge is the same OAL and bullet profile as RN 40 gr 22 LR hi-vel.

if you have the SGB tool, you can uniformly flatten the noses of SSS

btt