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hornfrog |
This looks more 007 than survival! |
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Posts: 286 (06/24/09 20:15) Tracker |
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Posts: 94 (06/29/09 18:51) |
I like it.
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lawdog41 |
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Posts: 595 (06/30/09 13:30) Dog Soldier |
Um, no. Too rube goldberg.
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hornfrog |
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Posts: 289 (07/01/09 15:09) Tracker |
Oh, man, it IS Rube Goldberg-esque! And sort of minimalist in design, too, and at 16 oz.
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coruja |
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Posts: 1 (07/01/09 18:14) |
Disclaimer: I designed the Pak-Rifle. How do you see it as a Rube Goldberg? And more over, how can it be minimalist, which it is, and Goldberg-esque? Not trying to cause trouble, just looking for insight into peoples perspectives. |
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Posts: 3502 (07/01/09 20:22) |
I would not say Rube Goldberg, more "unconventional". It has the same type of appearance I am sure that the Gyrojet rifle and pistol had to its
audience, and probably what the first viewers of the Charter Arms Explorer thought. It does not inspire confidence in its initial appearance I think, in part
because of perception, bringing to mind the rifles of Lost in Space, and perhaps closer to that of the fictional rifle of assasin in the original movie of Day
Of The Jackal, you know the one that turned into a crutch?
I am sure it probably has some very decent utlity, but I would personally hold off comment and opinion until I saw some unbiased reviews from sources I trust, or better yet had the chance to try it from a friend who purchased it. Personally I buy nothing, that my neck may be risked upon, that is in its first incarnation, no matte how rigourosly they claim to test it. Having worked in DP and working closely, and creating Quality Control Systems, I am all too familiar with the bugs that work their way out of a new product. I hope it works as advertised, I would not be adverse to trying one, it has some interesting qualities that sound interesting. |
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Posts: 600 (07/01/09 22:17) Dog Soldier |
coruja wrote: 1: The rear sight appears too easily bumped/moved. Not having one in hand, I'm having to go with the displayed pics. A curved pair of 'wings' such as the Smith 439 series used would be easy enough to add to prevent this with minimal weight increase. And use the existing scope mount screw holes. 2: No covered trigger. I understand that's to keep the weight down but it's one of the things that Springfield Armory had to go and redesign on the M-6 because of liability. 3: Reshape (soften and knurl) the ejector for ease of use and less thumb scraping. Get rid of the sharp corners. 4: The action springs are visible, therefore susceptible to grit, crud and garbage. A sleeve or tab of nylon would suffice ala the Rem 7400 series. Anything to keep the action working in an emergency. 5: The buttplate isn't aggressive enough in texture. 6: The round grip surface would be better in an oval shape, however some deep knurling would suffice to add grip surface. 7: The bolt appears to block some of the view of/across the top of the weapon. In this instance where you are going to get only one shot, it only makes sense to make the sights as visible and easy to use/get to as possible. 8: Some sort of matte finish on the 'white' parts to keep reflections down. 9: Strictly from an esthetics point, match the angles of the grip, receiver front and barrel support. The angle being different catches the eye and makes one really look to see what is 'wrong'. I tend to use the "goldberg" reference quite incorrectly for ideas that could be very good but fall short for some reason. Having worked as a gunsmith and machinist I tend to be critical of various things. As an end user, I tend to be even more critical, I've had to use 'survival' weapons before and go with what works despite hard knocks and abuse. Of most of the 'residents' here, I might be the most and perhaps overly critical of weapons design. |
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coruja |
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Posts: 2 (07/01/09 23:08) |
Thanks for the feed back. Unconventional, yes, and probably not for everyone. A few others and myself have used these for the last 12 years, so "I"
feel confident there are no bugs, but thats me. We have one being tested in AK by a gentleman that canoed ~150 miles into his fathers cabin, were he (the
tester) was born and raised, in a subsistence lifestyle, were hes been putting through the paces. We also have a few more out to various other testers, I hear
you on the review issue.
Lawdog41 1. Will look into it. 2. Not so much for weight, but rather ease of function with gloves on. I took the guard off my scout. 3. Has been done once, and will probably be done some more. 4. Years ago this was brought up, but has not been the problem we expected. 5. Hard to explain, but because its so small, it does not seem to be an issue. 6. We are currently looking into doing this, one of those things that not everyone seems to agree on. 7. The bolt is on the side of the rifle, but rotates up to the top of the weapon for a safe position. 8. Or maybe matte black? Another one of those issue with no consensus. 9. Will look at it. As a fellow gunsmith and machinist, I appreciate the critique. |
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hornfrog |
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Posts: 290 (07/02/09 19:48) Tracker |
When I joked that it was Rube Goldberg-esque AND minimalist it was a weak attempt at ironic humor. EXCYUSSSSE - ME!
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GlockDoc |
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Posts: 96 (07/02/09 20:01) |
Made one in 22 Mag yet?
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ArkyKen |
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Posts: 23 (07/03/09 13:59) |
more info? (maybe I missed it) Is this a semi-auto or single shot? A few specs would be nice... 3/5 shot groups @ 25 & 50 yds, velocity @ the barrel,25,50
yds etc. Any chance of a review in one of the gun rags?
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GlockDoc |
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Posts: 97 (07/05/09 21:24) |
All I found on the link was pix. No price or any other info. I'd like to know more.
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coruja |
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Posts: 3 (07/06/09 12:26) |
hornfrog
No problem, its alittle hard to tell on the internet sometimes, I was just trying to clarify GlockDoc .22 mag,Yeah, and it sorta works, but..... because of the pivot action, and case expansion with the mag, it becomes difficult to open the action after it is fired. There will be more info coming soon, we did not mean to launch the website before it was complete, but a few people have found it, or been shown, and jumped the gun. With only a few people looking at it though, I was able to see people coming in specificaly from this thread. ArkyKen Single shot, for simplicity, and reliability. An independant writer will be doing a piece on the rifle, along with a writer from a backpacking website. When we get more exposure, and the rags find us, I'm sure there will be some requests for reviews. 1.5" 5 shot groups at 25 yards this morning with the peep sights, this tightens up, for me, to .875" inch groups when scoped. |
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Posts: 5369 (07/06/09 16:05) |
Hi Coruja!
Welcome to the Cabin! I PM'ed you as well with some info! Thanks for stopping by and chatting with us! |
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GlockDoc |
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Posts: 98 (07/06/09 17:09) |
It sorta reminds me of 'tactical' version of the old Bronco. Keep pluggin' away on the 22mag version or maybe a 'fast-twist' barrel for the
SSS.
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lawdog41 |
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Posts: 604 (07/06/09 22:17) Dog Soldier |
coruja wrote: |
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Posts: 4 (07/08/09 13:50) |
Plainsman
Thanks! GlockDoc A fast twist barrel for SSS's is an awesome idea. We looked into slow twists for specialty .22 short barrels, but I had not thought about faster twists. The SSS's will shoot pretty good in some .22s with a longer 1:16 twist barrel, but you still ussually get some key holes. as you well know. I have not shot the SSS's yet through the new lighter barrels we are using, but they shot okay in the origional, I really like them. Lawdog41 I think we are kinda on the same page, at least the same direction. The rod that pivots the the front trunion that holds the barrel, has a groove that engages a pin to lock the two halves together. The plan is to cut this groove on a fast helix, this should accomplish what your describing. Will take some time before we get around to trying this, it will require setting up a fourth axis on the mill, what works out to basically 4 tpi is the fastest I could get away with on the lathe, and thats not fast enough. |
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Posts: 607 (07/09/09 11:53) Dog Soldier |
coruja wrote: You might just try a 1" mill and not complete the cut across the trunion once the cut is past the breech face. A quick and dirty test model could be made. The corresponding cut on the receiver would be easy enough to fab on a grinder using a rotating standoff of some type. Heck hand filing one would be even quicker at least for a model. |
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