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Posts: 430 (06/12/09 18:45) Brave |
Well, I took my 1022 and layed it out on the bench and put my 870 Rem underneath it where you could still get at the 1022 mag and it made a pkg tht was
48" long if you kept it legal with the 18.5" barrel. Plus it would top 9lbs. The only way to make it shorter would be to use the Taurus model 52 with
the side eject and magazine tube in the butt but I don't see it listed in their current catalog anymore......... Nor the model 62 for that matter?? I
don't think that idea will fly unless you actually used an AR with a conversion or maybe the Kel-Tec SU-22CA rifle which is 4lbs but the length would still
be an issue. I afraid only the break open type action will get the job done with a decent length. Good thought though. Maybe that X frame Smith like the one in
the Gun mag would be a viable option but very $$$$$. Lot's more than a used Model 24 or a current Baikal OU.
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Plainsman |
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Posts: 5350 (06/18/09 21:15) |
It looks like the project has a cartridge and a shotshell choice now! The .22WMR and the 12Ga were the top vote getters!!
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Plainsman |
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Posts: 5351 (06/18/09 21:20) |
As far as a stocking option, I'm open to a Choate Survivor Buttstock and Storage Forend at the moment or something similar to fulfill my desires for
storage and a pistol grip. I would like some type of rubber recoil pad rather than the current hard plastic butt/door. Perhaps having an "overmold"
of rubber would even help with that and the forend for better grip.
Since we are using a .22WMR and a 12 gauge, I'd like the best sighting system for the .22WMR, hence the scope rail is almost a necessity. The aperature/peep sight system is also a must in my book for backup!! I don't like a single system for a survival firearm. |
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Posts: 5352 (06/19/09 17:31) |
Any feedback?
So far it's almost looking like if Savage built a Model 24 in .22WMR over a 12ga and put some good synthetic storage furniture on it along with a scope rail and aperature/peep sights it'd be a good seller! |
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Posts: 762 (06/19/09 21:45) War Chief |
Since it has been decided that this is to be a 12 ga...a thought... I have both a Savage 24 .22 Magnum/20 ga. and a Valmet 12 ga/.223. Having the rifle
barrel, especially a skinny one like a .22 caliber, on the botton has the advantage of having a larger surface to mount scopes and flip-up open sight on the
shotgun tube.
The Valmet has a fold down rear sight built into the rib and a rail that accepts a quick detach scope mount. If instread of the proprietory QD mount there was say a 12" Picatinny rail was machined into the top rib it would be much more versitle and the scope could be mounted closer to the bore... The bottom barrel on the Valmet is also independant from the shotgun tube and the two hangers that attach the bottom barrel to the shotgun barrel have adjustments built it so one can regulate the bottonm barrel to the open sight. So one could then pick an accurate slug load, adjust the open sights to strike an inch or so high at 50 yards and the then regulate the .22 Magnum barrel to match. Made from stainless steel and with a good quality synthetic stock it would be a great outback gun. Bob |
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Plainsman |
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Posts: 5356 (06/20/09 08:16) |
Bob,
AWESOME! That would be an ideal setup to make it that much better! Thanks for explaining that! |
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Posts: 763 (06/21/09 09:49) War Chief |
This is the gun I have but in 12/.223.. GunBroker.com # 131789563 Wonderfully acurate gun.
Bob |
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Posts: 5365 (07/01/09 18:47) |
No comments in over a week...Has this fizzled???
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stevelutah |
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Posts: 199 (07/02/09 07:16) Scout |
I know this is not exactly what you are coming up with but it is a new product in the same spirit of this discussion so FYI
Bigbore posted this on another forumn: http://www.marblearms.com/thirdGeneration.html# photos of origional: http://www.marblearms.com/gamegetter.html |
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Posts: 602 (07/02/09 11:22) Dog Soldier |
stevelutah wrote: Interesting, very interesting. |
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Posts: 107 (08/05/09 01:17) Tenderfoot |
I looked at Valmet a while ago for hopped up 12ga loads. I like their setup
for getting accuracy, and seems a nice quality gun.And bottom with the varmint cartridge gives more versatility for varmints.ED
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jrg |
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Posts: 11 (08/27/09 11:46) |
Savage 24C type of gun would be just my size. Not too big, yet enough heft to shoot accurately. Choice of rimfire / shotgun with flick of thumb. If confined
to handgun size, a T/C Contender with .44 Magnum / .44 Hotshot might work for you. Unlike .410 version (45LC being centerfire), the chamber remains .44 magnum
sized, so accurate shooting is definitely possibility. .44 Hot shot has about 1/2 - 2/3 the shot load of .410, so this would be strictly hand loading - BUT
still, definitely a compact package for the forager.
Mounted on frame is 8 3/4" hot shot barrel (10" with choke). Slightly larger than a 4" barrelled revolver with great utility. Install in shoulder holster and you are good to go. |
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Posts: 710 (08/31/09 12:08) Tribal Councilman |
I remember fondly the Firearms that Silverstate was talking about. I don't beleive they ever were production guns just one mans custom work. the one in the
Magazine was called the Triple Threat Survival gun it was a revolver with a 410 barrel for the cylinder pin, it was of course break action and held 5 357
magnums and 5 22 LR. I can't remember for sure but I believe the 357 was below the center shot barrel and the 22 was the top of the three barrels. It had a
skeletonized removable butt stock that would hang on the belt it had a pouch in the center of the skeleton stock that contained ammunition and a variety of
survival goods. I believe with modern materials it wold be possible to recreat it in say 410 or ever 28 or 20 gauge (I like 20 gauge) with 5 rounds of 454
casull and 5 rounds of 22WMR. It was also a double action and that would be a great design for close defence from big toothy things and the calibers and guages
would allow the taking of most any big or small game. 12 in barrels (the shot barrel could be Straight rifled and use choke tubes). the front barrel bracket
would have adjustments to regulate the barrels to shoot to the same POI to the selection of sights to be mounted on a top picatinny styl rail. I would also
include a compact laser unit like I've seen mounted in the recoil spring guides of glocks mounted on the forward part of the barrel and a light for night
foraging (spotlighting) I know spot lighting is illegal for almost everything everywhere but were talking surviving here. The laser would go well with the 22
magnum for frogs and such at night. Grip frames could be changeable to suit whomever. the pistol grip stocks would hold a few extra batterys for the lights.
the barrels could be wrapped with para cord. the but stock would as with the other carry ammo not sure if I could get many supplies in with say 30 454 rounds,
100 22WMR rounds and 10 assorted shotgun shells. A few shotgun shell loops could be added on the outside of the stock. a cleaning rod would be inserted into
the hollow top rail of the stock. I have played with drawing and such for many years on this very gun I love the concept. I belive the above calibers could be
worked into a cylinder less than 3 inches in diameter.
I would choose a cross draw holster with a very sharp angle of rake. the gun belt would include a pouch/clip for the stock on the strong side of the belt. and assorted loops for cartridges and have pouches that had large enough loops to slide over the cartridge loops when full. Of course I doubt I could afford my own creation were it to be built but it should be built JUST BECAUSE I'M PARANOID, DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT OUT TO GET ME. |
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Posts: 15 (09/01/09 11:21) |
Another perspective - are you hiking out, or staying near your vehicle waiting to be rescued? Many feel that sticking by the vehicle will likely get found much
faster than hiking out. On the other hand, if area is very secluded (i.e. North Woods / mountains), you might have to rescue yourself. If hiking out, that
weight of your outfit will really need some tweaking if being carried over rough / swampy country. One decent firearm scabbard is that Molle shotgun scabbard.
It has loops that allow attaching other items on it as well, kind of a handy place to carry an axe, machete or hatchet. Not very expensive either - just picked
up three of them for less than $80.
http://www.voodootactical.net/Items/ms-20-8917-p?&caSKU=ms-20-8917-p&caTitle=MOLLE%20Shotgun%20Scabbard%20fits%2018-inch%20Remington%20870%2C%20Benneli%20and%20Smiliar%20Guns If you also look at wanting to eat very easy to find bird life, maybe a pneumatic pellet pistol / rifle might be a thought. Very lightweight (< 3 pounds) and a tin of pellets (500 pellets) takes up the space of less than a pack of cigarettes, and has an unlimited shelf life. If Fools hen (grouse) or even 'tweety birds' are available, you would be able to feed yourself far easier than hunting for Bugs Bunny. If hiking out, the weight of this outfit needs to be balanced pretty well, especially in swampy areas. Ground is already slippery as is, so anything throwing you off balance would not be wanted. At the very least, a staff to help maintain balance would be nice. Not suggesting that leaving the powder burner should be eliminated, but the air rifle / pistol is light enough and small enough to consider being carried in addition to your kit. I hope this helps. |
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Posts: 306 (10/06/09 15:44) Tracker |
I will be very interested in seeing the Marble Gamegetter in 2010. If it is based on the original but updated somehow, it is very much what I would like to
have.
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jrg |
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Posts: 106 (11/05/09 07:12) |
Be kinda cool if Choate would manufacture a folding stock for the Savage 24C, but I don't see that happening. Something very similar to the T/C folder
Choate presently makes. Marry this:
And this:
and you would have one heckuva nice forager. |
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lawdog41 |
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Posts: 682 (11/05/09 11:26) Dog Soldier |
It would appear that at east at one time, someone made a folder for the 24's.
http://www.milesfortis.com/church/akc19.htm And Choate will make almost anything if there's enough orders. |
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jrg |
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Posts: 110 (11/05/09 11:59) |
Well, the T/C stock bolt is through grip at an approximate 60 degree angle. The Savage's only about 5 degrees (totally wag'n here). So for marriage,
1st step would be to weld a stud to rear of receiver to receive that stock bolt from folding stock.
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